this is from msnbc http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15111438/ written 2007. it states Myth No. 3. “No one knew.” Myths about school shooters.
Before most of the attacks, someone else knew about the idea or the plan. "In most cases, those who knew were other kids: friends, schoolmates, siblings and others. However, this information rarely made its way to an adult."
here's the complete section of the report by National Institute of Justice Journal, No 248--Preventing School shootings
This article summarizes USSS Safe School Initiative: An Interim Report on the Prevention
of Targeted Violence in Schools (Washington, DC: U.S. Secret Service, National Threat
Assessment Center, 2000). The summary is published with permission from NTAC
Prior to most incidents, the attacker told someone about his idea or plan. In more than three-fourths of the cases examined in the Safe School Initiative, the attacker told a friend, schoolmate, or sibling about his idea for a possible attack before taking action. In one case, an attacker made comments to at least 24 friends and classmates about his interest in killing other students, building bombs, or carrying out an attack at the school. Some of the conversations were long enough that peers conveyed detailed information about the plans, including the date it would happen.
However, the study identified a major barrier to the prevention of targeted school violence. In nearly all of the cases, the person who was told about the impending incident was a peer, and rarely did anyone bring the information to an adult’s attention.
i'm wondering if these people that knew prior are being help accountable and tried as accessories to these shootings. probably not. you never hear about this side of the story. if they are not, there is no real urgency in doing everything possible to prevent school shootings. these people need to start being held accountable. let me ask you something, if your child was killed and you found out that someone knew about it and didn't say anything what would you feel?
firearms are a really big problem in america. crime, school shootings, accidents. there is a lack of understanding when it comes to guns. guns are a sensitive subject. but i stand behind the right to own them. i'm a gun owner, but these kids, criminals and some nra stances are making it very difficult be seen as a good law abiding person and makes it so easy to demonize gun ownership.
guns stand for freedom and they stand for independence. but not today because of what's going on. you can't demonize guns or the people that lawfully, respectfully, and responsibly use them. we need to demonize the criminals and the corrupt dealers that sell guns to criminals.
when it comes to these kids shooting other kids, not only are they held accountable, but the parents should be held accountable too. i grew up ok, and so did many others. we had parents that cared for us and taught us right, even in the presence of other trouble makers and people that had no respect for what's right, we grew up ok. the parents are at fault too. these parents didn't teaching their kids right. if we started holding them accountable, you can bet that the leniency and lack of discipline parents today give their kids would quickly stop.
people that don't know anything about guns shouldn't talk about guns. all guns have one thing in common, they are dangerous in the wrong hands. it's a tough thing to talk about especially when families are victims of gun violence and they speak out against guns. but we can't simply run off to ban them. a gun is a gun for someone that is a victim, i understand that. but a gun is not a gun if you know about them.
there was a study done by the justice department or if you search "Guns Used in Crime". it states that the majority of guns in crimes are handguns and assault rifles are less used. the percentages of rifles used are small in comparison. it's an old report, but i imagined not much has changed up to today. but i'm wondering why is there such a big push to ban "assault rifles" and not ban handguns if they are the ones criminals prefer to use? it doesn't make sense. most crimes are committed with handguns, why are we not pushing to ban handguns? instead we are making so much effort on banning rifles that are rarely used?
but it doesn't matter when talking about guns. guns are guns. you either have respect them or you don't. you either respect them or you fear them . owning a gun is a big responsibility. most law abiding americans are responsible, i think. but that isn't the issue. the truth about all this hasn't even been touched. the truth is even if you got rid of all the guns in the world, we would live in danger from criminals. with no guns around criminals would turn to other weapons. guns are only a small portion of our history, before guns there was the sword, before the sword, there were arrows, before that we threw rocks at each other. we can ban the right to own or buy guns, but what about the guns in the hands of millions of criminals? there's a big gun trafficking problem here; you think a gun ban will stop that too? it won't. a gun ban will put our lives in danger from criminals that don't follow our laws.
let's say for argument's sake, we got rid of all guns and ideas of violence in all mediums; got rid of every person that has knowledge of violence, got rid of all weapons and gave this world to our children to rule without any trace of violence - i can see in the beginning that things would be peaceful, but i guarantee with my life, that one day, one of those people, or maybe their children will introduce violence into society again. and eventually one day, someone will throw something at someone else and kill them.
Before most of the attacks, someone else knew about the idea or the plan. "In most cases, those who knew were other kids: friends, schoolmates, siblings and others. However, this information rarely made its way to an adult."
here's the complete section of the report by National Institute of Justice Journal, No 248--Preventing School shootings
This article summarizes USSS Safe School Initiative: An Interim Report on the Prevention
of Targeted Violence in Schools (Washington, DC: U.S. Secret Service, National Threat
Assessment Center, 2000). The summary is published with permission from NTAC
Prior to most incidents, the attacker told someone about his idea or plan. In more than three-fourths of the cases examined in the Safe School Initiative, the attacker told a friend, schoolmate, or sibling about his idea for a possible attack before taking action. In one case, an attacker made comments to at least 24 friends and classmates about his interest in killing other students, building bombs, or carrying out an attack at the school. Some of the conversations were long enough that peers conveyed detailed information about the plans, including the date it would happen.
However, the study identified a major barrier to the prevention of targeted school violence. In nearly all of the cases, the person who was told about the impending incident was a peer, and rarely did anyone bring the information to an adult’s attention.
i'm wondering if these people that knew prior are being help accountable and tried as accessories to these shootings. probably not. you never hear about this side of the story. if they are not, there is no real urgency in doing everything possible to prevent school shootings. these people need to start being held accountable. let me ask you something, if your child was killed and you found out that someone knew about it and didn't say anything what would you feel?
firearms are a really big problem in america. crime, school shootings, accidents. there is a lack of understanding when it comes to guns. guns are a sensitive subject. but i stand behind the right to own them. i'm a gun owner, but these kids, criminals and some nra stances are making it very difficult be seen as a good law abiding person and makes it so easy to demonize gun ownership.
guns stand for freedom and they stand for independence. but not today because of what's going on. you can't demonize guns or the people that lawfully, respectfully, and responsibly use them. we need to demonize the criminals and the corrupt dealers that sell guns to criminals.
when it comes to these kids shooting other kids, not only are they held accountable, but the parents should be held accountable too. i grew up ok, and so did many others. we had parents that cared for us and taught us right, even in the presence of other trouble makers and people that had no respect for what's right, we grew up ok. the parents are at fault too. these parents didn't teaching their kids right. if we started holding them accountable, you can bet that the leniency and lack of discipline parents today give their kids would quickly stop.
people that don't know anything about guns shouldn't talk about guns. all guns have one thing in common, they are dangerous in the wrong hands. it's a tough thing to talk about especially when families are victims of gun violence and they speak out against guns. but we can't simply run off to ban them. a gun is a gun for someone that is a victim, i understand that. but a gun is not a gun if you know about them.
there was a study done by the justice department or if you search "Guns Used in Crime". it states that the majority of guns in crimes are handguns and assault rifles are less used. the percentages of rifles used are small in comparison. it's an old report, but i imagined not much has changed up to today. but i'm wondering why is there such a big push to ban "assault rifles" and not ban handguns if they are the ones criminals prefer to use? it doesn't make sense. most crimes are committed with handguns, why are we not pushing to ban handguns? instead we are making so much effort on banning rifles that are rarely used?
but it doesn't matter when talking about guns. guns are guns. you either have respect them or you don't. you either respect them or you fear them . owning a gun is a big responsibility. most law abiding americans are responsible, i think. but that isn't the issue. the truth about all this hasn't even been touched. the truth is even if you got rid of all the guns in the world, we would live in danger from criminals. with no guns around criminals would turn to other weapons. guns are only a small portion of our history, before guns there was the sword, before the sword, there were arrows, before that we threw rocks at each other. we can ban the right to own or buy guns, but what about the guns in the hands of millions of criminals? there's a big gun trafficking problem here; you think a gun ban will stop that too? it won't. a gun ban will put our lives in danger from criminals that don't follow our laws.
let's say for argument's sake, we got rid of all guns and ideas of violence in all mediums; got rid of every person that has knowledge of violence, got rid of all weapons and gave this world to our children to rule without any trace of violence - i can see in the beginning that things would be peaceful, but i guarantee with my life, that one day, one of those people, or maybe their children will introduce violence into society again. and eventually one day, someone will throw something at someone else and kill them.
does anyone feel differently?
has our history shown anything differently? violence can not be stopped; no science, no law, no religion, no intellect, no books, no speech, no ideas, or will of the people, morals, or values will ever change that fact. we can do all we can to prevent violence, but we must start with issues that are a factor in violent behavior; not the means-to-an-end once violent behaviors are carried out.
guns aren't the problem. we can make efforts to stop guns from being used but that isn't the problem. the problem is we will never stop crimes. we will never stop criminals. we will never stop violence. that is human nature. if we killed every criminal today, we will have to kill many more tomorrow. it's in our human culture. it is human design. that is something no one wants to hear, but that is the truth.
we are missing the point.
guns aren't the problem. we can make efforts to stop guns from being used but that isn't the problem. the problem is we will never stop crimes. we will never stop criminals. we will never stop violence. that is human nature. if we killed every criminal today, we will have to kill many more tomorrow. it's in our human culture. it is human design. that is something no one wants to hear, but that is the truth.
we are missing the point.
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